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Marie
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Kloto, Athropos and Lachesis
07/31/06 at 21:32:03
 
Kloto, Athropos, and Lachesis, the three Moirae of the Greek mythology are roles that as women, we go through: giving birth, nurturing, and waking the dying.   A primer:
 
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The Fates, or Moirae, were the goddesses who controlled the destiny of everyone from the time they were born to the time they died. They were: Clotho, the spinner, who spun the thread of a person's life, Lachesis, the apportioner, who decided how much time was to be allowed each person, and Atropos, the inevitable, who cut the thread when you were supposed to die. Even though the other gods were almighty, and supposedly immortal, even Hera had reason to fear them. All were subject to the whims of the Fates. Ministers of the Fates were always oracles or soothsayers (seers of the future). The Fates were very important, but it is still unknown to who their parents were. There is some speculation that they might be the daughters of Zeus, however, this is debatable.
The Fates were often depicted as ugly hags, cold and unmerciful.

 
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Marie
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Re: Kloto, Athropos and Lachesis
Reply #1 - 08/01/06 at 08:56:07
 
The night and a mail from a friend clarified my thoughts, so here it is:
 Raising my own animals bring lots of turmoil.  I think it is easier for a woman to be a nurturer. Taking life, even for sustainance, is difficult.  Cutting the thread f life is, I think, one of the hardest lessons of womanhood. Even just accompanying the dying is difficult.   I even hate thinning the vegetable patch, playing God with which will survive, and which will be culled.  I can see myself wintering with my 80 chicken become 600 chicken in my living room. See what I mean?  
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Frances_Gilley
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Re: Kloto, Athropos and Lachesis
Reply #2 - 08/01/06 at 23:31:24
 
Quote from Marie on 07/31/06 at 21:32:03:
Kloto, Athropos, and Lachesis, the three Moirae of the Greek mythology are roles that as women, we go through: giving birth, nurturing, and waking the dying.   A primer:

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The Fates, or Moirae, were the goddesses who controlled the destiny of everyone from the time they were born to the time they died. They were: Clotho, the spinner, who spun the thread of a person's life, Lachesis, the apportioner, who decided how much time was to be allowed each person, and Atropos, the inevitable, who cut the thread when you were supposed to die. Even though the other gods were almighty, and supposedly immortal, even Hera had reason to fear them. All were subject to the whims of the Fates. Ministers of the Fates were always oracles or soothsayers (seers of the future). The Fates were very important, but it is still unknown to who their parents were. There is some speculation that they might be the daughters of Zeus, however, this is debatable.
The Fates were often depicted as ugly hags, cold and unmerciful.



 
 
 
Daughters of Nyx the Goddess of Night, or Erda the Earth-mother, they are called Moira or Erinyes or Norns or Graia or triple-faced Hekate, and they are three in form and aspect: the three lunar phases. The promising waxing crescent, the fertile full face and the sinister dark of the moon are in mythic image the three guises of women: maiden, fruitful wife, old crone.  Clotho weaves the thread, Lachesis measures it, and Atropos cuts it, and the gods themselves are bound by these three, for they were first out out of inchoate Mother Night, before Zeus and Apollo brought the revelation of man's eternal and incorruptible spirit out of the sky.  
 
The spindle (of the universe) turns on the knees of Necessity;and on the upper surface of each circle is a siren, who goes round with them, hymning a single tone or note. The eight together form one harmony; and round about, at equal intervals, there is another band, three in number, each sitting upon her throne: these are the Fates, daughters of Necessity, who are clothed in white robes  and have chaplets upon their heads. (Aeschylos from "Prometheus Bound.)
 
 
These notes are from Liz Greene's book "The Astrology of Fate."  It is more about mythology than astrology.  This book is my bible and I recommend it highly. Please go to astro.com to learn about Liz Greene.
 
Best Frances.  
 
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Karen
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Reply #3 - 08/01/06 at 23:37:46
 
I see what you mean. I disagree with you though Marie. I had a farm when I was younger and the man I was with said to me, be careful making friends with the animals. He was right. They aren't four-legged versions of humans. The chickens I had would often get caught underfoot of the cattle and I'd come out in the morning to find one dead every so often. By the squashed condition of the hen I could see that the cows were not unhinged by this, they didn't tip-toe around her after squashing, or tsk-tsk the cow responsible for the initial squash, or come to her aid prior to being squashed. They'd mindlessly step on her over and over, and when her life was done they did what cows do: they'd wander around and smash stuff under their hooves in the farmyard until she was a postage stamp of feathers.
 
In the way that I had to take to thinning weeds in my garden so the corn could grow, I would sometimes have to kill the baby chicks after they were born because they were too many. I felt sad for the mother about this until the man also reminded me that hens do not know how to count.
 
We raised beef cattle for friends and took them to the processor one afternoon. The charolais that I had named T-Bone was in the line and she started to pull away from it to come to me as a familiar like she usually did. The man who was keeping them in line to move them into the slaughter barn caned her hard in the snout to move along, and she looked back at me with a bloody-nose. I could have cried but I knew she was meant to be food for families. I didn't name another cow again.
 
I'm sure that I don't have to make the point that no culling cuts down the life span of all the plantings, but I'll go ahead anyhow. I chose not to do that once as an experiment. I wanted to see what would happen to a row of onions that were thinned and to ones that weren't. Ofcourse, you know the result.
 
It is hardly playing God though since for all of us our day will come to be culled. If we are capable then we simply have to choose the best course of action for our lives and those lives around us. It would be irresponsible not to, and evenutally even, the ultimate cruelty.
 
I will add one more thing that will probably cause some recoiling. When my husband was a boy he lived in the country and the family was very, very poor. A neighbor, a local farmer, asked Royce and his brothers to run trapline to keep the animals out of his fields. They used legholds and would trap fox, coon, mink, musrat... . The legholds as you know held the animal sometimes all day until the boys could get out of school to check the traps. They would go out in the evenings with a club and kill the animals, clean them, and the deal was that anything they caught they could keep and sell the hides. It was not a lot of money but it often bought groceries or kept their home (which was a double wide trailer) in fuel oil over the winter.
 
It is a fortunate person who can toy with the idea of keeping 600 chickens in her living room.
 
 
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Marie
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Reply #4 - 08/15/06 at 10:38:43
 
hello Karen,
 
Been busy on another thread Shocked.   I was kinda been metaphoric with the 600 chicken in the living room. By that I mean that taking a life, especially of creatures you took care is not easy, anyway for me.
 
There is quite a distinction in between hunting for survival, like your friend, and large scale commercial operation like fur farms. That being said, I think animals should be killed in a human way.   That is why I believe leg traps should be illegal.   Pretty much everybody around me hunt, fish or farm, so, killing animals is part of life.   I think there is an ethic in the act of killing, ways to do it with being mindful about the fact that an animal is a living creature capable of suffering, of feeling.   Same with raising them.  I guess that is why I am moving toward raising some of mine.   Funny as I just had a chat about environment enrichment for chicken.  So tonigh, I will bring a dust bath to my little fluff balls.  
 
 
 
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Karen
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Reply #5 - 08/16/06 at 08:29:56
 
Hi Marie,  
 
And I saw that you did buy some chickens too which is wonderful. I hope you will post photos.
I used to go to a swappers day in a rural town close to me to find the most unusual chickens to keep in the barnyard, even then I was interested in having a creative space.  
 
Legholds are cruel, I hate them. But I understand their purpose for farmers. Fur farms are another ball to toss around, just senseless. Along with lab animal testing.  But regarding fur, I saw a report on CNN recently where many people are wearing dogs and cats imported from Asia and don't even realize it.
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Marie
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Reply #6 - 08/16/06 at 16:28:58
 
Hello Karen,
 
I'll try to take some pics of the chicks while they are all round and fluffy.  The guy who sold them to me, for the fun and free of charge, sent me a couple of turkens (naked neck). They are the ugliest thing but you feel so bad for them they grow on you. And they have wonderful temperament, are hardy, very gentle, good mothers...but you need to get over the look.  

 
I think the US has been pro-active in banning the importation of stuff made of dogs and cats fur.   But it is hard to control the whole thing. Many of the small, furry stuff toys imported from Asia are made from cats and dogs fur.  I think there are case where the use of fur make sense. For exemple, the Inuits still hunt seal for food and fur.   The money they can make of their craft is one of their few sources of income.   In Northern climate, it made sense to use the fur for clothing.  But when the fur trade emptied the North American forests to supply the European markets, bought for booze and trinkets from the Indians, somebody took the wrong turn, IMO.  
 
In Labrador, I got myself an embroidered pair of Inuit mocassins made of with moose hide and rabbit trims.   They were sold at an aboriginal coop which also serve as a community center. I know Inuits eat the meat and it helps keeping the craft alive and bring income in the community.   It's hard to make a fast rule. In general, I am against fur products with some few exceptions.   Here, we have commercial scale slaughter of seals every year solely because there is a market.  They try to find by-products for the meat  to justify the killing but it is done mostly for the fur.  That's the most lucrative part.   Canada is a big player in the fur market, to my regret.  
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